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		<title>By: Circuit Design</title>
		<link>http://www.sherwinarnott.org/branding/positioning-the-other-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1987</link>
		<dc:creator>Circuit Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 22:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:.. I am really thankful to this topic because it really gives great information ;,,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:.. I am really thankful to this topic because it really gives great information ;,,</p>
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		<title>By: re.sister.with.love</title>
		<link>http://www.sherwinarnott.org/branding/positioning-the-other-again/comment-page-1/#comment-568</link>
		<dc:creator>re.sister.with.love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for context, the owner (I gathered, from personal conversations with him) is not from Mexico (is white), lived there for a while, enjoyed the food, and came back to Canada to start the restaurant.

To take and use parts of a different people&#039;s/ country&#039;s food or culture for your own profit while simultaneously denigrating the context from which it came from is the definition of cultural appropriation which is one way in which racism is practiced.

Perhaps, Mexico would have more money for public health infrastrucutre if it wasn&#039;t for NAFTA. To discuss &quot;runs&quot; in Mexico without discussing historical processes (of which Canada and the owner&#039;s whiteness is a big part) that continue to contribute to it is dishonest and perpetuates racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for context, the owner (I gathered, from personal conversations with him) is not from Mexico (is white), lived there for a while, enjoyed the food, and came back to Canada to start the restaurant.</p>
<p>To take and use parts of a different people&#8217;s/ country&#8217;s food or culture for your own profit while simultaneously denigrating the context from which it came from is the definition of cultural appropriation which is one way in which racism is practiced.</p>
<p>Perhaps, Mexico would have more money for public health infrastrucutre if it wasn&#8217;t for NAFTA. To discuss &#8220;runs&#8221; in Mexico without discussing historical processes (of which Canada and the owner&#8217;s whiteness is a big part) that continue to contribute to it is dishonest and perpetuates racism.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about:

&quot;Great American Taste, Without Turning You Into a Fat F*ck!&quot;

&quot;Great English Food, That Actually Has Taste!&quot;

Offensive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about:</p>
<p>&#8220;Great American Taste, Without Turning You Into a Fat F*ck!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Great English Food, That Actually Has Taste!&#8221;</p>
<p>Offensive?</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely agree, Hugh, that we need to be subtle in our analysis of subtle racism - especially, as you say, when we&#039;re talking with people who aren&#039;t already convinced. In fact, I think that part of the problem is that there often isn&#039;t enough subtlety in analyses of racism in the media. 

And maybe this also gets at the frustration that I often feel when I&#039;m talking to people who aren&#039;t already convinced, that the subtle arguments or distinctions that I&#039;m working hard to make get shut down or side-lined by broad sweeping generalizations. 

So how do we get people to be more interested in the subtleties?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely agree, Hugh, that we need to be subtle in our analysis of subtle racism &#8211; especially, as you say, when we&#8217;re talking with people who aren&#8217;t already convinced. In fact, I think that part of the problem is that there often isn&#8217;t enough subtlety in analyses of racism in the media. </p>
<p>And maybe this also gets at the frustration that I often feel when I&#8217;m talking to people who aren&#8217;t already convinced, that the subtle arguments or distinctions that I&#8217;m working hard to make get shut down or side-lined by broad sweeping generalizations. </p>
<p>So how do we get people to be more interested in the subtleties?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It assumes that people only have a certain capacity or tolerance for race-analysis, and that we don’t want to waste that precious resource on such a small example racism&quot;

That&#039;s an interesting way of putting it Becky, and I worry that it might actually be accurate.

To be clear: I don&#039;t think that we shouldn&#039;t call out more subtle incarnations of racism, and I  think you have an excellent point that those might in aggregate be a or the major part of racism in a politeness-aspirant country like Canada. But I think if we want to be convincing to people who aren&#039;t already convinced then our challenge of subtle racism needs to subtle itself. If there are important distinctions to be made, then they probably should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It assumes that people only have a certain capacity or tolerance for race-analysis, and that we don’t want to waste that precious resource on such a small example racism&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an interesting way of putting it Becky, and I worry that it might actually be accurate.</p>
<p>To be clear: I don&#8217;t think that we shouldn&#8217;t call out more subtle incarnations of racism, and I  think you have an excellent point that those might in aggregate be a or the major part of racism in a politeness-aspirant country like Canada. But I think if we want to be convincing to people who aren&#8217;t already convinced then our challenge of subtle racism needs to subtle itself. If there are important distinctions to be made, then they probably should.</p>
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		<title>By: becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion on this! 

I disagree that this is a case of &#039;crying wolf&#039; though. I think it is actually a prime example of the kind of subtle racism that passes so easily in Canada, and that continues to make those of us who are white as normal, and those who aren&#039;t as somehow not-quite-normal. And while there are certainly cases of more violent racism that also need to be addressed, that doesn&#039;t mean that the more subtle moments of racism should be ignored. In fact, I think it is precisely this kind of logic that allows subtle racism to continue. And personally, I&#039;m not satisfied that because there is worse racism out there, that we shouldn&#039;t address this moment racism. 

To think that this is &#039;crying wolf&#039; is a sort of zero-sum approach to challenging racism. It assumes that people only have a certain capacity or tolerance for race-analysis, and that we don&#039;t want to waste that precious resource on such a small example racism. However, I believe that racialized thinking is what allows for racialized violence. Making examples of racialized thinking more explicit helps us understand what makes racialized violence possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion on this! </p>
<p>I disagree that this is a case of &#8216;crying wolf&#8217; though. I think it is actually a prime example of the kind of subtle racism that passes so easily in Canada, and that continues to make those of us who are white as normal, and those who aren&#8217;t as somehow not-quite-normal. And while there are certainly cases of more violent racism that also need to be addressed, that doesn&#8217;t mean that the more subtle moments of racism should be ignored. In fact, I think it is precisely this kind of logic that allows subtle racism to continue. And personally, I&#8217;m not satisfied that because there is worse racism out there, that we shouldn&#8217;t address this moment racism. </p>
<p>To think that this is &#8216;crying wolf&#8217; is a sort of zero-sum approach to challenging racism. It assumes that people only have a certain capacity or tolerance for race-analysis, and that we don&#8217;t want to waste that precious resource on such a small example racism. However, I believe that racialized thinking is what allows for racialized violence. Making examples of racialized thinking more explicit helps us understand what makes racialized violence possible.</p>
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		<title>By: sherwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>sherwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hugh! I always enjoy your analysis! Yeah, &quot;hateful&quot; maybe doesn&#039;t fit for this ad. That said, I definitely think there&#039;s degrees of racism and there&#039;s definitely degrees of impact of racism. How could there not be? I would love to hear sometime what the threshold for capital-R Racism is. I&#039;m going to keep thinking about how to make the long-thin lines look more like fat short lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hugh! I always enjoy your analysis! Yeah, &#8220;hateful&#8221; maybe doesn&#8217;t fit for this ad. That said, I definitely think there&#8217;s degrees of racism and there&#8217;s definitely degrees of impact of racism. How could there not be? I would love to hear sometime what the threshold for capital-R Racism is. I&#8217;m going to keep thinking about how to make the long-thin lines look more like fat short lines.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://www.sherwinarnott.org/branding/positioning-the-other-again/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This feels like an absolutist set of claims being directed at a marginal case. You draw some long lines to get from the content of the ad to full-blown racism, and some of those lines strike me as thin in places. If we were going to differentiate on degrees of racism, maybe I could buy that the ad was a little racist, and perhaps I could even be convinced that it was more-than-harmelessly racist, but I&#039;m iffy on Racist.

I take your point that racism is something felt by the denigrated group, and as a white guy I might not have the background to understand the full impact of the ad. But it&#039;s a smiling cactus riffing on the fact that Canadians often get diahrea when they go to Mexico, which they do. &quot;Hateful&quot;? There&#039;s a danger in crying wolf.

And, welcome to blogging! where you can put yourself on the line by attempting to articulate your honest thoughts, and then feel cut down by a single snarky drive-by comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This feels like an absolutist set of claims being directed at a marginal case. You draw some long lines to get from the content of the ad to full-blown racism, and some of those lines strike me as thin in places. If we were going to differentiate on degrees of racism, maybe I could buy that the ad was a little racist, and perhaps I could even be convinced that it was more-than-harmelessly racist, but I&#8217;m iffy on Racist.</p>
<p>I take your point that racism is something felt by the denigrated group, and as a white guy I might not have the background to understand the full impact of the ad. But it&#8217;s a smiling cactus riffing on the fact that Canadians often get diahrea when they go to Mexico, which they do. &#8220;Hateful&#8221;? There&#8217;s a danger in crying wolf.</p>
<p>And, welcome to blogging! where you can put yourself on the line by attempting to articulate your honest thoughts, and then feel cut down by a single snarky drive-by comment.</p>
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		<title>By: What to do about hate? &#124; Sherwin Arnott</title>
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		<dc:creator>What to do about hate? &#124; Sherwin Arnott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] thinking lately that maybe I have a duty to also contact the owners of the ad that I wrote about here and also here, and let them know that I think their ad is racist. Or maybe I have a duty to the bus [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] thinking lately that maybe I have a duty to also contact the owners of the ad that I wrote about here and also here, and let them know that I think their ad is racist. Or maybe I have a duty to the bus [...]</p>
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